# Brad Dispute-mobivate email address.mbox # 28 messages, sorted chronologically ================================================================================ #1 2012-08-06T09:58:25+01:00 From: "Brad Gishen - Mobivate" To: "Asaf Shamir" Cc: "Ari Berman - Mobivate" , "Sybille Duvel" , "Mike Ince" , Subject: Asaf's New Email Address Hi All, Asaf, Ari and I agreed a while ago that even though he is with Raw Mobility, when he deals with Mobivate and its customers, he would use a Mobivate email address. While John set it up, it was never implemented. For the rest of this week, please send to his usual email address and asaf.shamir@mobivate.com >From next week, please stop using his usual email address completely for all Mobivate matters. Of course, if its Raw Mobility related (i.e. a new reseller for blender) use his usual email address. Thanks BGG Bradley G Gishen Description: Logo---email Tel: +44 7 588 388 677 Skype: bradgish E-mail: brad.gishen@mobivate.com Web: www.mobivate.com Mobivate Limited is a mobile solutions company, offering shortcode aggregation services, premium messaging (PSMS), bulk SMS, mobile content, mobile marketing, and robust technology to its customers worldwide. Its powerful, reliable and user-friendly systems ensure that its customers can monetise their content, promote their brands and always have cutting edge mobile solutions. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This communication, including any attachments, is confidential and intended solely for the named addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact me immediately by reply email, delete it from your system and destroy any copies. This email is subject to copyright. No part of it should be reproduced, adapted or transmitted without the prior written consent of the copyright owner. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of Mobivate Limited. ================================================================================ #2 2012-08-07T09:55:21+10:00 From: John Huseinovic To: "Brad Gishen - Mobivate" Cc: "Asaf Shamir" , "Ari Berman - Mobivate" , "Sybille Duvel" , "Mike Ince" Subject: Re: Asaf's New Email Address noted. On 06/08/2012, at 6:58 PM, "Brad Gishen - Mobivate" wrote: > Hi All, > > Asaf, Ari and I agreed a while ago that even though he is with Raw Mobility, when he deals > with Mobivate and its customers, he would use a Mobivate email address. > > While John set it up, it was never implemented. > > For the rest of this week, please send to his usual email address and asaf.shamir@mobivate.com > > From next week, please stop using his usual email address completely for all Mobivate matters. > > Of course, if its Raw Mobility related (i.e. a new reseller for blender) use his usual email address. > > Thanks > > BGG > > Bradley G Gishen > > > > Tel: +44 7 588 388 677 > Skype: bradgish > E-mail: brad.gishen@mobivate.com > Web: www.mobivate.com > > Mobivate Limited is a mobile solutions company, offering shortcode aggregation services, premium messaging (PSMS), bulk SMS, > mobile content, mobile marketing, and robust technology to its customers worldwide. Its powerful, reliable and user-friendly systems > ensure that its customers can monetise their content, promote their brands and always have cutting edge mobile solutions. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > This communication, including any attachments, is confidential and intended solely for the named addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact > me immediately by reply email, delete it from your system and destroy any copies. This email is subject to copyright. No part of it should be reproduced, adapted > or transmitted without the prior written consent of the copyright owner. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not > necessarily reflect the views of Mobivate Limited. > > ================================================================================ #3 2012-08-07T10:11:23+10:00 From: Asaf Shamir To: John Huseinovic Subject: Re: Asaf's New Email Address Testing 123. On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 9:55 AM, John Huseinovic < john.huseinovic@mobivate.com> wrote: > noted. > > On 06/08/2012, at 6:58 PM, "Brad Gishen - Mobivate" < > brad.gishen@mobivate.com> wrote: > > Hi All,**** > ** ** > Asaf, Ari and I agreed a while ago that even though he is with Raw > Mobility, when he deals > with Mobivate and its customers, he would use a Mobivate email address.*** > * > ** ** > While John set it up, it was never implemented.**** > ** ** > For the rest of this week, please send to his usual email address and > asaf.shamir@mobivate.com > > *From next week, please stop using his usual email address completely for > all Mobivate matters*.**** > ** ** > Of course, if its Raw Mobility related (i.e. a new reseller for blender) > use his usual email address.**** > ** ** > Thanks**** > ** ** > BGG**** > ** ** > *Bradley G Gishen***** > * ***** > **** > * > **Tel:* +44 7 588 388 677**** > *Skype:* bradgish**** > *E-mail:* brad.gishen@mobivate.com > **** > *Web:* www.mobivate.com > > **** > **** > Mobivate Limited is a mobile solutions company, offering shortcode > aggregation services, premium messaging (PSMS), bulk SMS,**** > mobile content, mobile marketing, and robust technology to its customers > worldwide. Its powerful, reliable and user-friendly systems**** > ensure that its customers can monetise their content, promote their brands > and always have cutting edge mobile solutions.**** > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > This communication, including any attachments, is confidential and > intended solely for the named addressee. If you are not the intended > recipient, please contact > me immediately by reply email, delete it from your system and destroy any > copies. This email is subject to copyright. No part of it should be > reproduced, adapted > or transmitted without the prior written consent of the copyright owner. > Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and > may not > necessarily reflect the views of Mobivate Limited.**** > ** ** > > > ================================================================================ #4 2012-08-07T13:12:39+10:00 From: John Huseinovic To: Asaf Shamir Subject: Re: Asaf's New Email Address got On 07/08/2012, at 10:11 AM, Asaf Shamir wrote: > Testing 123. > > On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 9:55 AM, John Huseinovic wrote: > noted. > > On 06/08/2012, at 6:58 PM, "Brad Gishen - Mobivate" wrote: > >> Hi All, >> >> Asaf, Ari and I agreed a while ago that even though he is with Raw Mobility, when he deals >> with Mobivate and its customers, he would use a Mobivate email address. >> >> While John set it up, it was never implemented. >> >> For the rest of this week, please send to his usual email address and asaf.shamir@mobivate.com >> >> From next week, please stop using his usual email address completely for all Mobivate matters. >> >> Of course, if its Raw Mobility related (i.e. a new reseller for blender) use his usual email address. >> >> Thanks >> >> BGG >> >> Bradley G Gishen >> >> >> >> Tel: +44 7 588 388 677 >> Skype: bradgish >> E-mail: brad.gishen@mobivate.com >> Web: www.mobivate.com >> >> Mobivate Limited is a mobile solutions company, offering shortcode aggregation services, premium messaging (PSMS), bulk SMS, >> mobile content, mobile marketing, and robust technology to its customers worldwide. Its powerful, reliable and user-friendly systems >> ensure that its customers can monetise their content, promote their brands and always have cutting edge mobile solutions. >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> This communication, including any attachments, is confidential and intended solely for the named addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact >> me immediately by reply email, delete it from your system and destroy any copies. This email is subject to copyright. No part of it should be reproduced, adapted >> or transmitted without the prior written consent of the copyright owner. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not >> necessarily reflect the views of Mobivate Limited. >> >> > > ================================================================================ #5 2013-08-27T09:37:27+01:00 From: "Brad Gishen - Mobivate" To: Cc: "Ari Berman - Mobivate" Subject: Raw Mobility / Mobivate Hi Asaf, 1. Please remove powered by Raw Mobility off the Mobivate site with immediate effect. You are showing me out to not be the owner of the software which is my key USP 2. When you communicate with Mobivate customers, Mobivate requires you to use a Mobivate email address - if you are not willing to do so with immediate effect, please let me know BGG Bradley G Gishen Description: Logo---email Tel: +44 7 588 388 677 Skype: bradgish E-mail: brad.gishen@mobivate.com Web: www.mobivate.com Mobivate Limited is a mobile solutions company, offering shortcode aggregation services, premium messaging (PSMS), bulk SMS, mobile content, mobile marketing, and robust technology to its customers worldwide. Its powerful, reliable and user-friendly systems ensure that its customers can monetise their content, promote their brands and always have cutting edge mobile solutions. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This communication, including any attachments, is confidential and intended solely for the named addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact me immediately by reply email, delete it from your system and destroy any copies. This email is subject to copyright. No part of it should be reproduced, adapted or transmitted without the prior written consent of the copyright owner. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of Mobivate Limited. ================================================================================ #6 2013-08-28T15:44:12+10:00 From: Asaf Shamir To: "Brad Gishen - Mobivate" Cc: "Ari Berman - Mobivate" Subject: Re: Raw Mobility / Mobivate Brad, See my comments below regarding your questions. With the move to a larger (clustered) environment and attempts to keep the cost down, rwm needs to make commitments for leasing servers and other resources. In order to do that, we need to have a long term agreement between RWM and Mobivate with regards to Blender. System: $5,600 PCM (Up to 10 million messages / month) Support: $2,000 PCM (optional. integration assistance, enduser technical queries) Development: $150 per Hour Messaging: 8.5% of sale price Term: 24 Months I believe the pricing is very low considering the time and effort required. Additionally you'll continue to enjoy the benefit of getting free features and enhancements initiated by raw mobility (e.g. smppserver), and naturally the high quality, stable and fast system which has allowed you to acquire big players like dodo, tpg and clickatel. The alternative is to remain with the current setup, which at some point would reach maximum capacity. Asaf -- Asaf Shamir Raw Mobility S: asaf-shamir M: +61-417-188345 P: +61-3-90182505 www.rawmobility.com On 27/08/2013, at 6:37 PM, "Brad Gishen - Mobivate" wrote: > Hi Asaf, > > 1. Please remove powered by Raw Mobility off the Mobivate site with immediate effect. > You are showing me out to not be the owner of the software which is my key USP where is that showing on the mobivate whitelabel? > > 2. When you communicate with Mobivate customers, Mobivate requires you to use a Mobivate > email address – if you are not willing to do so with immediate effect, please let me know my mail client selects this for me when i reply to an email. if the email is to asaf.shamir@mobivate.com, it replies from that address. if you send an email to my rwm address, it will reply from that address. With regards to support, we can do one of the following: 1. RWM trains a mobivate employee on supporting the API and face mobivate customers. 2. RWM provides customer support for mobivate customers. Cost is $2,000/month, response within 36 hours during business hours. Asaf > > BGG > > Bradley G Gishen > > > > Tel: +44 7 588 388 677 > Skype: bradgish > E-mail: brad.gishen@mobivate.com > Web: www.mobivate.com > > Mobivate Limited is a mobile solutions company, offering shortcode aggregation services, premium messaging (PSMS), bulk SMS, > mobile content, mobile marketing, and robust technology to its customers worldwide. Its powerful, reliable and user-friendly systems > ensure that its customers can monetise their content, promote their brands and always have cutting edge mobile solutions. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > This communication, including any attachments, is confidential and intended solely for the named addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact > me immediately by reply email, delete it from your system and destroy any copies. This email is subject to copyright. No part of it should be reproduced, adapted > or transmitted without the prior written consent of the copyright owner. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not > necessarily reflect the views of Mobivate Limited. > > ================================================================================ #7 2013-08-28T10:10:04+01:00 From: "Brad Gishen - Mobivate" To: "'Asaf Shamir'" Cc: "'Ari Berman - Mobivate'" Subject: RE: Raw Mobility / Mobivate Not close to possible or feasible. 1. We cannot pay you 8,5% on any big deal as that means you either take all the margin (Dodo/TPG etc) or we make a massive loss (Clickatell) 2. Response within 36 hours may be ok if it was 1985. Come on mate. You mean 6 hours? 3. I don't want RM to train anyone at MBVT for bulk. I am not playing that MBVT / RM game any more. Ask your employee. But Asaf he doesn't know. Well then send him to do a Java course. Asaf I cant get hold of him. Well that's your problem he is your staff etc etc etc BGG From: Asaf Shamir [mailto:asaf@rawmobility.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 6:44 AM To: Brad Gishen - Mobivate Cc: Ari Berman - Mobivate Subject: Re: Raw Mobility / Mobivate Brad, See my comments below regarding your questions. With the move to a larger (clustered) environment and attempts to keep the cost down, rwm needs to make commitments for leasing servers and other resources. In order to do that, we need to have a long term agreement between RWM and Mobivate with regards to Blender. System: $5,600 PCM (Up to 10 million messages / month) Support: $2,000 PCM (optional. integration assistance, enduser technical queries) Development: $150 per Hour Messaging: 8.5% of sale price Term: 24 Months I believe the pricing is very low considering the time and effort required. Additionally you'll continue to enjoy the benefit of getting free features and enhancements initiated by raw mobility (e.g. smppserver), and naturally the high quality, stable and fast system which has allowed you to acquire big players like dodo, tpg and clickatel. The alternative is to remain with the current setup, which at some point would reach maximum capacity. Asaf -- Asaf Shamir Raw Mobility S: asaf-shamir M: +61-417-188345 P: +61-3-90182505 www.rawmobility.com On 27/08/2013, at 6:37 PM, "Brad Gishen - Mobivate" wrote: Hi Asaf, 1. Please remove powered by Raw Mobility off the Mobivate site with immediate effect. You are showing me out to not be the owner of the software which is my key USP where is that showing on the mobivate whitelabel? 2. When you communicate with Mobivate customers, Mobivate requires you to use a Mobivate email address - if you are not willing to do so with immediate effect, please let me know my mail client selects this for me when i reply to an email. if the email is to asaf.shamir@mobivate.com, it replies from that address. if you send an email to my rwm address, it will reply from that address. With regards to support, we can do one of the following: 1. RWM trains a mobivate employee on supporting the API and face mobivate customers. 2. RWM provides customer support for mobivate customers. Cost is $2,000/month, response within 36 hours during business hours. Asaf BGG Bradley G Gishen Tel: +44 7 588 388 677 Skype: bradgish E-mail: brad.gishen@mobivate.com Web: www.mobivate.com Mobivate Limited is a mobile solutions company, offering shortcode aggregation services, premium messaging (PSMS), bulk SMS, mobile content, mobile marketing, and robust technology to its customers worldwide. Its powerful, reliable and user-friendly systems ensure that its customers can monetise their content, promote their brands and always have cutting edge mobile solutions. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This communication, including any attachments, is confidential and intended solely for the named addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact me immediately by reply email, delete it from your system and destroy any copies. This email is subject to copyright. No part of it should be reproduced, adapted or transmitted without the prior written consent of the copyright owner. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of Mobivate Limited. ================================================================================ #8 2013-08-29T16:51:49+10:00 From: Asaf Shamir To: Ari Berman , Brad Gishen Subject: Re: Raw Mobility / Mobivate Brad, Comments below. > 1. We cannot pay you 8,5% on any big deal as that means you either take all the margin (Dodo/TPG etc) > or we make a massive loss (Clickatell) nonsense, 8.5% on clickatel means Mobivate makes a 25% margin. we can discuss reducing the cost to mobivate in specific cases, but i think mobivate should sign a non-compete first. > > 2. Response within 36 hours may be ok if it was 1985. Come on mate. You mean 6 hours? We can do 24 hours if you want. i am talking about email support for your end-users. If the clickatel volumes come thru, we can probably provide 24/7 support. > > 3. I don’t want RM to train anyone at MBVT for bulk. I am not playing that MBVT / RM game any more. Ask your employee. > But Asaf he doesn’t know. Well then send him to do a Java course. Asaf I cant get hold of him. Well that’s > your problem he is your staff etc etc etc This has nothing to do with java or a java course. We're talking about responses to your endusers regarding questions about the API. Surely someone at your end can READ A DOCUMENT, understand it (or ask me questions if they dont), and answer your end-users when they ask things like "where can i find my routeId" or "what does the ID field on page 5 refer to". Alternatively, Mobivate pays RWM to do this under a @mobivate.com email address. -- Asaf Shamir Raw Mobility S: asaf-shamir M: +61-417-188345 P: +61-3-90182505 www.rawmobility.com On 28/08/2013, at 7:10 PM, "Brad Gishen - Mobivate" wrote: > Not close to possible or feasible. > > 1. We cannot pay you 8,5% on any big deal as that means you either take all the margin (Dodo/TPG etc) > or we make a massive loss (Clickatell) > > 2. Response within 36 hours may be ok if it was 1985. Come on mate. You mean 6 hours? > > 3. I don’t want RM to train anyone at MBVT for bulk. I am not playing that MBVT / RM game any more. Ask your employee. > But Asaf he doesn’t know. Well then send him to do a Java course. Asaf I cant get hold of him. Well that’s > your problem he is your staff etc etc etc > > BGG > > From: Asaf Shamir [mailto:asaf@rawmobility.com] > Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 6:44 AM > To: Brad Gishen - Mobivate > Cc: Ari Berman - Mobivate > Subject: Re: Raw Mobility / Mobivate > > Brad, > > See my comments below regarding your questions. > > With the move to a larger (clustered) environment and attempts to keep the cost down, rwm needs to make commitments for leasing servers and other resources. > In order to do that, we need to have a long term agreement between RWM and Mobivate with regards to Blender. > > System: $5,600 PCM (Up to 10 million messages / month) > Support: $2,000 PCM (optional. integration assistance, enduser technical queries) > Development: $150 per Hour > Messaging: 8.5% of sale price > Term: 24 Months > > I believe the pricing is very low considering the time and effort required. > Additionally you'll continue to enjoy the benefit of getting free features and enhancements initiated by raw mobility (e.g. smppserver), and naturally the high quality, stable and fast system which has allowed you to acquire big players like dodo, tpg and clickatel. > > The alternative is to remain with the current setup, which at some point would reach maximum capacity. > > Asaf > > -- > Asaf Shamir > Raw Mobility > > S: asaf-shamir > M: +61-417-188345 > P: +61-3-90182505 > www.rawmobility.com > > On 27/08/2013, at 6:37 PM, "Brad Gishen - Mobivate" wrote: > > > Hi Asaf, > > 1. Please remove powered by Raw Mobility off the Mobivate site with immediate effect. > You are showing me out to not be the owner of the software which is my key USP > > where is that showing on the mobivate whitelabel? > > > 2. When you communicate with Mobivate customers, Mobivate requires you to use a Mobivate > email address – if you are not willing to do so with immediate effect, please let me know > > my mail client selects this for me when i reply to an email. if the email is to asaf.shamir@mobivate.com, it replies from that address. if you send an email to my rwm address, it will reply from that address. > > With regards to support, we can do one of the following: > 1. RWM trains a mobivate employee on supporting the API and face mobivate customers. > 2. RWM provides customer support for mobivate customers. Cost is $2,000/month, response within 36 hours during business hours. > > > Asaf > > > BGG > > Bradley G Gishen > > > > Tel: +44 7 588 388 677 > Skype: bradgish > E-mail: brad.gishen@mobivate.com > Web: www.mobivate.com > > Mobivate Limited is a mobile solutions company, offering shortcode aggregation services, premium messaging (PSMS), bulk SMS, > mobile content, mobile marketing, and robust technology to its customers worldwide. Its powerful, reliable and user-friendly systems > ensure that its customers can monetise their content, promote their brands and always have cutting edge mobile solutions. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > This communication, including any attachments, is confidential and intended solely for the named addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact > me immediately by reply email, delete it from your system and destroy any copies. This email is subject to copyright. No part of it should be reproduced, adapted > or transmitted without the prior written consent of the copyright owner. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not > necessarily reflect the views of Mobivate Limited. > > ================================================================================ #9 2013-08-29T09:35:44+01:00 From: "Brad Gishen - Mobivate" To: "'Asaf Shamir'" , "'Ari Berman'" Subject: RE: Raw Mobility / Mobivate See below. From: Asaf Shamir [mailto:asaf@rawmobility.com] Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 7:52 AM To: Ari Berman; Brad Gishen Subject: Re: Raw Mobility / Mobivate Brad, Comments below. 1. We cannot pay you 8,5% on any big deal as that means you either take all the margin (Dodo/TPG etc) or we make a massive loss (Clickatell) nonsense, 8.5% on clickatel means Mobivate makes a 25% margin. we can discuss reducing the cost to mobivate in specific cases, but i think mobivate should sign a non-compete first. cost per sms =8c for Voda and MTN (rest are insignificant). Sell price = 9c. If we give RM 8.5% = 0.765. We have to give Nathan 20% of gross margin = 0.2c. Therefore between RM and Nathan we pay 0.965 on a gross margin of 1c. i.e. leaves MBVT with 0.035 per SMS. So you right we don't make a loss but definitely not the margin we are after or deserve for owning this customer. I will consider a non-compete when RM has other people who know blender perfectly else it's too risky for MBVT and I cannot be negligent. 2. Response within 36 hours may be ok if it was 1985. Come on mate. You mean 6 hours? We can do 24 hours if you want. i am talking about email support for your end-users. If the clickatel volumes come thru, we can probably provide 24/7 support. Clickatell is my end user. Sorry I never knew you were referring to 2 types of end users. But all my customers need a response way sooner than 24 hours. 3. I don't want RM to train anyone at MBVT for bulk. I am not playing that MBVT / RM game any more. Ask your employee. But Asaf he doesn't know. Well then send him to do a Java course. Asaf I cant get hold of him. Well that's your problem he is your staff etc etc etc This has nothing to do with java or a java course. We're talking about responses to your endusers regarding questions about the API. Surely someone at your end can READ A DOCUMENT, understand it (or ask me questions if they dont), and answer your end-users when they ask things like "where can i find my routeId" or "what does the ID field on page 5 refer to". You know it best. If you want to train someone to answer the questions, sure. Train Jacy he sits next to you. Alternatively, Mobivate pays RWM to do this under a @mobivate.com email address. -- Asaf Shamir Raw Mobility S: asaf-shamir M: +61-417-188345 P: +61-3-90182505 www.rawmobility.com On 28/08/2013, at 7:10 PM, "Brad Gishen - Mobivate" wrote: Not close to possible or feasible. 1. We cannot pay you 8,5% on any big deal as that means you either take all the margin (Dodo/TPG etc) or we make a massive loss (Clickatell) 2. Response within 36 hours may be ok if it was 1985. Come on mate. You mean 6 hours? 3. I don't want RM to train anyone at MBVT for bulk. I am not playing that MBVT / RM game any more. Ask your employee. But Asaf he doesn't know. Well then send him to do a Java course. Asaf I cant get hold of him. Well that's your problem he is your staff etc etc etc BGG From: Asaf Shamir [mailto:asaf@rawmobility.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 6:44 AM To: Brad Gishen - Mobivate Cc: Ari Berman - Mobivate Subject: Re: Raw Mobility / Mobivate Brad, See my comments below regarding your questions. With the move to a larger (clustered) environment and attempts to keep the cost down, rwm needs to make commitments for leasing servers and other resources. In order to do that, we need to have a long term agreement between RWM and Mobivate with regards to Blender. System: $5,600 PCM (Up to 10 million messages / month) Support: $2,000 PCM (optional. integration assistance, enduser technical queries) Development: $150 per Hour Messaging: 8.5% of sale price Term: 24 Months I believe the pricing is very low considering the time and effort required. Additionally you'll continue to enjoy the benefit of getting free features and enhancements initiated by raw mobility (e.g. smppserver), and naturally the high quality, stable and fast system which has allowed you to acquire big players like dodo, tpg and clickatel. The alternative is to remain with the current setup, which at some point would reach maximum capacity. Asaf -- Asaf Shamir Raw Mobility S: asaf-shamir M: +61-417-188345 P: +61-3-90182505 www.rawmobility.com On 27/08/2013, at 6:37 PM, "Brad Gishen - Mobivate" < brad.gishen@mobivate.com> wrote: Hi Asaf, 1. Please remove powered by Raw Mobility off the Mobivate site with immediate effect. You are showing me out to not be the owner of the software which is my key USP where is that showing on the mobivate whitelabel? 2. When you communicate with Mobivate customers, Mobivate requires you to use a Mobivate email address - if you are not willing to do so with immediate effect, please let me know my mail client selects this for me when i reply to an email. if the email is to asaf.shamir@mobivate.com, it replies from that address. if you send an email to my rwm address, it will reply from that address. With regards to support, we can do one of the following: 1. RWM trains a mobivate employee on supporting the API and face mobivate customers. 2. RWM provides customer support for mobivate customers. Cost is $2,000/month, response within 36 hours during business hours. Asaf BGG Bradley G Gishen Tel: +44 7 588 388 677 Skype: bradgish E-mail: brad.gishen@mobivate.com Web: www.mobivate.com Mobivate Limited is a mobile solutions company, offering shortcode aggregation services, premium messaging (PSMS), bulk SMS, mobile content, mobile marketing, and robust technology to its customers worldwide. Its powerful, reliable and user-friendly systems ensure that its customers can monetise their content, promote their brands and always have cutting edge mobile solutions. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This communication, including any attachments, is confidential and intended solely for the named addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact me immediately by reply email, delete it from your system and destroy any copies. This email is subject to copyright. No part of it should be reproduced, adapted or transmitted without the prior written consent of the copyright owner. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of Mobivate Limited. ================================================================================ #10 2013-08-29T19:22:04+10:00 From: Asaf Shamir To: Brad Gishen Cc: Ari Berman Subject: Re: Raw Mobility / Mobivate Brad/Ari As RWM directors/shareholders: To operate at the level you're asking will cost RWM about $35k-$40k a month. Assuming a volume of 100 million/month on clickatel, the 75/25 division you suggested gives RWM zero profit. 8.5% means mobivate & rwm make equal profits, which to me sounds very reasonable considering RWM does all of the heavy lifting. This would also mean we can finally see some dividends on RWM side (especially nice for you two). -- Asaf Shamir Raw Mobility S: asaf-shamir M: +61-417-188345 P: +61-3-90182505 www.rawmobility.com On 29/08/2013, at 6:35 PM, "Brad Gishen - Mobivate" wrote: > See below. > > From: Asaf Shamir [mailto:asaf@rawmobility.com] > Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 7:52 AM > To: Ari Berman; Brad Gishen > Subject: Re: Raw Mobility / Mobivate > > Brad, > > Comments below. > > 1. We cannot pay you 8,5% on any big deal as that means you either take all the margin (Dodo/TPG etc) > or we make a massive loss (Clickatell) > > nonsense, 8.5% on clickatel means Mobivate makes a 25% margin. > we can discuss reducing the cost to mobivate in specific cases, but i think mobivate should sign a non-compete first. > cost per sms =8c for Voda and MTN (rest are insignificant). Sell price = 9c. If we give RM 8.5% = 0.765. We have to > give Nathan 20% of gross margin = 0.2c. Therefore between RM and Nathan we pay 0.965 on a gross margin of 1c. > i.e. leaves MBVT with 0.035 per SMS. So you right we don’t make a loss but definitely not the margin we are after > or deserve for owning this customer. I will consider a non-compete when RM has other people who know blender perfectly > else it’s too risky for MBVT and I cannot be negligent. > > 2. Response within 36 hours may be ok if it was 1985. Come on mate. You mean 6 hours? > > We can do 24 hours if you want. i am talking about email support for your end-users. > If the clickatel volumes come thru, we can probably provide 24/7 support. > Clickatell is my end user. Sorry I never knew you were referring to 2 types of end users. But all my customers need a response > way sooner than 24 hours. > > 3. I don’t want RM to train anyone at MBVT for bulk. I am not playing that MBVT / RM game any more. Ask your employee. > But Asaf he doesn’t know. Well then send him to do a Java course. Asaf I cant get hold of him. Well that’s > your problem he is your staff etc etc etc > > This has nothing to do with java or a java course. We're talking about responses to your endusers regarding questions about the API. > Surely someone at your end can READ A DOCUMENT, understand it (or ask me questions if they dont), and answer your end-users > when they ask things like "where can i find my routeId" or "what does the ID field on page 5 refer to". > You know it best. If you want to train someone to answer the questions, sure. Train Jacy he sits next to you. > > Alternatively, Mobivate pays RWM to do this under a @mobivate.com email address. > > -- > Asaf Shamir > Raw Mobility > > S: asaf-shamir > M: +61-417-188345 > P: +61-3-90182505 > www.rawmobility.com > > On 28/08/2013, at 7:10 PM, "Brad Gishen - Mobivate" wrote: > > > Not close to possible or feasible. > > 1. We cannot pay you 8,5% on any big deal as that means you either take all the margin (Dodo/TPG etc) > or we make a massive loss (Clickatell) > > 2. Response within 36 hours may be ok if it was 1985. Come on mate. You mean 6 hours? > > 3. I don’t want RM to train anyone at MBVT for bulk. I am not playing that MBVT / RM game any more. Ask your employee. > But Asaf he doesn’t know. Well then send him to do a Java course. Asaf I cant get hold of him. Well that’s > your problem he is your staff etc etc etc > > BGG > > From: Asaf Shamir [mailto:asaf@rawmobility.com] > Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 6:44 AM > To: Brad Gishen - Mobivate > Cc: Ari Berman - Mobivate > Subject: Re: Raw Mobility / Mobivate > > Brad, > > See my comments below regarding your questions. > > With the move to a larger (clustered) environment and attempts to keep the cost down, rwm needs to make commitments for leasing servers and other resources. > In order to do that, we need to have a long term agreement between RWM and Mobivate with regards to Blender. > > System: $5,600 PCM (Up to 10 million messages / month) > Support: $2,000 PCM (optional. integration assistance, enduser technical queries) > Development: $150 per Hour > Messaging: 8.5% of sale price > Term: 24 Months > > I believe the pricing is very low considering the time and effort required. > Additionally you'll continue to enjoy the benefit of getting free features and enhancements initiated by raw mobility (e.g. smppserver), and naturally the high quality, stable and fast system which has allowed you to acquire big players like dodo, tpg and clickatel. > > The alternative is to remain with the current setup, which at some point would reach maximum capacity. > > Asaf > > -- > Asaf Shamir > Raw Mobility > > S: asaf-shamir > M: +61-417-188345 > P: +61-3-90182505 > www.rawmobility.com > > On 27/08/2013, at 6:37 PM, "Brad Gishen - Mobivate" wrote: > > > > Hi Asaf, > > 1. Please remove powered by Raw Mobility off the Mobivate site with immediate effect. > You are showing me out to not be the owner of the software which is my key USP > > where is that showing on the mobivate whitelabel? > > > 2. When you communicate with Mobivate customers, Mobivate requires you to use a Mobivate > email address – if you are not willing to do so with immediate effect, please let me know > > my mail client selects this for me when i reply to an email. if the email is to asaf.shamir@mobivate.com, it replies from that address. if you send an email to my rwm address, it will reply from that address. > > With regards to support, we can do one of the following: > 1. RWM trains a mobivate employee on supporting the API and face mobivate customers. > 2. RWM provides customer support for mobivate customers. Cost is $2,000/month, response within 36 hours during business hours. > > > Asaf > > > BGG > > Bradley G Gishen > > > > Tel: +44 7 588 388 677 > Skype: bradgish > E-mail: brad.gishen@mobivate.com > Web: www.mobivate.com > > Mobivate Limited is a mobile solutions company, offering shortcode aggregation services, premium messaging (PSMS), bulk SMS, > mobile content, mobile marketing, and robust technology to its customers worldwide. Its powerful, reliable and user-friendly systems > ensure that its customers can monetise their content, promote their brands and always have cutting edge mobile solutions. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > This communication, including any attachments, is confidential and intended solely for the named addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact > me immediately by reply email, delete it from your system and destroy any copies. This email is subject to copyright. No part of it should be reproduced, adapted > or transmitted without the prior written consent of the copyright owner. Any views expressed in this message ar [... truncated ...] ================================================================================ #11 2013-08-29T10:25:52+01:00 From: "Brad Gishen - Mobivate" To: "'Asaf Shamir'" Cc: "'Ari Berman'" Subject: RE: Raw Mobility / Mobivate Fair enough. Maybe we just pool the costs and split the profit. Where costs are data for messages and Nathan. From: Asaf Shamir [mailto:asaf@rawmobility.com] Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 10:22 AM To: Brad Gishen Cc: Ari Berman Subject: Re: Raw Mobility / Mobivate Brad/Ari As RWM directors/shareholders: To operate at the level you're asking will cost RWM about $35k-$40k a month. Assuming a volume of 100 million/month on clickatel, the 75/25 division you suggested gives RWM zero profit. 8.5% means mobivate & rwm make equal profits, which to me sounds very reasonable considering RWM does all of the heavy lifting. This would also mean we can finally see some dividends on RWM side (especially nice for you two). -- Asaf Shamir Raw Mobility S: asaf-shamir M: +61-417-188345 P: +61-3-90182505 www.rawmobility.com On 29/08/2013, at 6:35 PM, "Brad Gishen - Mobivate" wrote: See below. From: Asaf Shamir [mailto:asaf@ rawmobility.com] Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 7:52 AM To: Ari Berman; Brad Gishen Subject: Re: Raw Mobility / Mobivate Brad, Comments below. 1. We cannot pay you 8,5% on any big deal as that means you either take all the margin (Dodo/TPG etc) or we make a massive loss (Clickatell) nonsense, 8.5% on clickatel means Mobivate makes a 25% margin. we can discuss reducing the cost to mobivate in specific cases, but i think mobivate should sign a non-compete first. cost per sms =8c for Voda and MTN (rest are insignificant). Sell price = 9c. If we give RM 8.5% = 0.765. We have to give Nathan 20% of gross margin = 0.2c. Therefore between RM and Nathan we pay 0.965 on a gross margin of 1c. i.e. leaves MBVT with 0.035 per SMS. So you right we don't make a loss but definitely not the margin we are after or deserve for owning this customer. I will consider a non-compete when RM has other people who know blender perfectly else it's too risky for MBVT and I cannot be negligent. 2. Response within 36 hours may be ok if it was 1985. Come on mate. You mean 6 hours? We can do 24 hours if you want. i am talking about email support for your end-users. If the clickatel volumes come thru, we can probably provide 24/7 support. Clickatell is my end user. Sorry I never knew you were referring to 2 types of end users. But all my customers need a response way sooner than 24 hours. 3. I don't want RM to train anyone at MBVT for bulk. I am not playing that MBVT / RM game any more. Ask your employee. But Asaf he doesn't know. Well then send him to do a Java course. Asaf I cant get hold of him. Well that's your problem he is your staff etc etc etc This has nothing to do with java or a java course. We're talking about responses to your endusers regarding questions about the API. Surely someone at your end can READ A DOCUMENT, understand it (or ask me questions if they dont), and answer your end-users when they ask things like "where can i find my routeId" or "what does the ID field on page 5 refer to". You know it best. If you want to train someone to answer the questions, sure. Train Jacy he sits next to you. Alternatively, Mobivate pays RWM to do this under a @ mobivate.com email address. -- Asaf Shamir Raw Mobility S: asaf-shamir M: +61-417-188345 P: +61-3-90182505 www.rawmobility.com On 28/08/2013, at 7:10 PM, "Brad Gishen - Mobivate" < brad.gishen@mobivate.com> wrote: Not close to possible or feasible. 1. We cannot pay you 8,5% on any big deal as that means you either take all the margin (Dodo/TPG etc) or we make a massive loss (Clickatell) 2. Response within 36 hours may be ok if it was 1985. Come on mate. You mean 6 hours? 3. I don't want RM to train anyone at MBVT for bulk. I am not playing that MBVT / RM game any more. Ask your employee. But Asaf he doesn't know. Well then send him to do a Java course. Asaf I cant get hold of him. Well that's your problem he is your staff etc etc etc BGG From: Asaf Shamir [mailto:asaf@ rawmobility.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 6:44 AM To: Brad Gishen - Mobivate Cc: Ari Berman - Mobivate Subject: Re: Raw Mobility / Mobivate Brad, See my comments below regarding your questions. With the move to a larger (clustered) environment and attempts to keep the cost down, rwm needs to make commitments for leasing servers and other resources. In order to do that, we need to have a long term agreement between RWM and Mobivate with regards to Blender. System: $5,600 PCM (Up to 10 million messages / month) Support: $2,000 PCM (optional. integration assistance, enduser technical queries) Development: $150 per Hour Messaging: 8.5% of sale price Term: 24 Months I believe the pricing is very low considering the time and effort required. Additionally you'll continue to enjoy the benefit of getting free features and enhancements initiated by raw mobility (e.g. smppserver), and naturally the high quality, stable and fast system which has allowed you to acquire big players like dodo, tpg and clickatel. The alternative is to remain with the current setup, which at some point would reach maximum capacity. Asaf -- Asaf Shamir Raw Mobility S: asaf-shamir M: +61-417-188345 P: +61-3-90182505 www.rawmobility.com On 27/08/2013, at 6:37 PM, "Brad Gishen - Mobivate" < brad.gishen@mobivate.com> wrote: Hi Asaf, 1. Please remove powered by Raw Mobility off the Mobivate site with immediate effect. You are showing me out to not be the owner of the software which is my key USP where is that showing on the mobivate whitelabel? 2. When you communicate with Mobivate customers, Mobivate requires you to use a Mobivate email address - if you are not willing to do so with immediate effect, please let me know my mail client selects this for me when i reply to an email. if the email is to asaf.shamir@mobivate.com, it replies from that address. if you send an email to my rwm address, it will reply from that address. With regards to support, we can do one of the following: 1. RWM trains a mobivate employee on supporting the API and face mobivate customers. 2. RWM provides customer support for mobivate customers. Cost is $2,000/month, response within 36 hours during business hours. Asaf BGG Bradley G Gishen Tel: +44 7 588 388 677 Skype: bradgish E-mail: brad.gishen@mobivate.com Web: www.mobivate.com Mobivate Limited is a mobile solutions company, offering shortcode aggregation services, premium messaging (PSMS), bulk SMS, mobile content, mobile marketing, and robust technology to its customers worldwide. Its powerful, reliable and user-friendly systems ensure that its customers can monetise their content, promote their brands and always have cutting edge mobile solutions. --------------------------------------------------------------------- [... truncated ...] ================================================================================ #12 2013-08-29T19:37:52+10:00 From: Asaf Shamir To: Brad Gishen Cc: "'Ari Berman'" Subject: Re: Raw Mobility / Mobivate what does that mean? -- Asaf Shamir Raw Mobility S: asaf-shamir M: +61-417-188345 P: +61-3-90182505 www.rawmobility.com On 29/08/2013, at 7:25 PM, "Brad Gishen - Mobivate" wrote: > Fair enough. Maybe we just pool the costs and split the profit. > > Where costs are data for messages and Nathan. > > From: Asaf Shamir [mailto:asaf@rawmobility.com] > Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 10:22 AM > To: Brad Gishen > Cc: Ari Berman > Subject: Re: Raw Mobility / Mobivate > > Brad/Ari > > As RWM directors/shareholders: > > To operate at the level you're asking will cost RWM about $35k-$40k a month. > Assuming a volume of 100 million/month on clickatel, the 75/25 division you suggested gives RWM zero profit. > > 8.5% means mobivate & rwm make equal profits, which to me sounds very reasonable considering RWM does all of the heavy lifting. > > This would also mean we can finally see some dividends on RWM side (especially nice for you two). > > -- > Asaf Shamir > Raw Mobility > > S: asaf-shamir > M: +61-417-188345 > P: +61-3-90182505 > www.rawmobility.com > > On 29/08/2013, at 6:35 PM, "Brad Gishen - Mobivate" wrote: > > > See below. > > From: Asaf Shamir [mailto:asaf@rawmobility.com] > Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 7:52 AM > To: Ari Berman; Brad Gishen > Subject: Re: Raw Mobility / Mobivate > > Brad, > > Comments below. > > 1. We cannot pay you 8,5% on any big deal as that means you either take all the margin (Dodo/TPG etc) > or we make a massive loss (Clickatell) > > nonsense, 8.5% on clickatel means Mobivate makes a 25% margin. > we can discuss reducing the cost to mobivate in specific cases, but i think mobivate should sign a non-compete first. > cost per sms =8c for Voda and MTN (rest are insignificant). Sell price = 9c. If we give RM 8.5% = 0.765. We have to > give Nathan 20% of gross margin = 0.2c. Therefore between RM and Nathan we pay 0.965 on a gross margin of 1c. > i.e. leaves MBVT with 0.035 per SMS. So you right we don’t make a loss but definitely not the margin we are after > or deserve for owning this customer. I will consider a non-compete when RM has other people who know blender perfectly > else it’s too risky for MBVT and I cannot be negligent. > > 2. Response within 36 hours may be ok if it was 1985. Come on mate. You mean 6 hours? > > We can do 24 hours if you want. i am talking about email support for your end-users. > If the clickatel volumes come thru, we can probably provide 24/7 support. > Clickatell is my end user. Sorry I never knew you were referring to 2 types of end users. But all my customers need a response > way sooner than 24 hours. > > 3. I don’t want RM to train anyone at MBVT for bulk. I am not playing that MBVT / RM game any more. Ask your employee. > But Asaf he doesn’t know. Well then send him to do a Java course. Asaf I cant get hold of him. Well that’s > your problem he is your staff etc etc etc > > This has nothing to do with java or a java course. We're talking about responses to your endusers regarding questions about the API. > Surely someone at your end can READ A DOCUMENT, understand it (or ask me questions if they dont), and answer your end-users > when they ask things like "where can i find my routeId" or "what does the ID field on page 5 refer to". > You know it best. If you want to train someone to answer the questions, sure. Train Jacy he sits next to you. > > Alternatively, Mobivate pays RWM to do this under a @mobivate.com email address. > > -- > Asaf Shamir > Raw Mobility > > S: asaf-shamir > M: +61-417-188345 > P: +61-3-90182505 > www.rawmobility.com > > On 28/08/2013, at 7:10 PM, "Brad Gishen - Mobivate" wrote: > > > > Not close to possible or feasible. > > 1. We cannot pay you 8,5% on any big deal as that means you either take all the margin (Dodo/TPG etc) > or we make a massive loss (Clickatell) > > 2. Response within 36 hours may be ok if it was 1985. Come on mate. You mean 6 hours? > > 3. I don’t want RM to train anyone at MBVT for bulk. I am not playing that MBVT / RM game any more. Ask your employee. > But Asaf he doesn’t know. Well then send him to do a Java course. Asaf I cant get hold of him. Well that’s > your problem he is your staff etc etc etc > > BGG > > From: Asaf Shamir [mailto:asaf@rawmobility.com] > Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 6:44 AM > To: Brad Gishen - Mobivate > Cc: Ari Berman - Mobivate > Subject: Re: Raw Mobility / Mobivate > > Brad, > > See my comments below regarding your questions. > > With the move to a larger (clustered) environment and attempts to keep the cost down, rwm needs to make commitments for leasing servers and other resources. > In order to do that, we need to have a long term agreement between RWM and Mobivate with regards to Blender. > > System: $5,600 PCM (Up to 10 million messages / month) > Support: $2,000 PCM (optional. integration assistance, enduser technical queries) > Development: $150 per Hour > Messaging: 8.5% of sale price > Term: 24 Months > > I believe the pricing is very low considering the time and effort required. > Additionally you'll continue to enjoy the benefit of getting free features and enhancements initiated by raw mobility (e.g. smppserver), and naturally the high quality, stable and fast system which has allowed you to acquire big players like dodo, tpg and clickatel. > > The alternative is to remain with the current setup, which at some point would reach maximum capacity. > > Asaf > > -- > Asaf Shamir > Raw Mobility > > S: asaf-shamir > M: +61-417-188345 > P: +61-3-90182505 > www.rawmobility.com > > On 27/08/2013, at 6:37 PM, "Brad Gishen - Mobivate" wrote: > > > > > Hi Asaf, > > 1. Please remove powered by Raw Mobility off the Mobivate site with immediate effect. > You are showing me out to not be the owner of the software which is my key USP > > where is that showing on the mobivate whitelabel? > > > 2. When you communicate with Mobivate customers, Mobivate requires you to use a Mobivate > email address – if you are not willing to do so with immediate effect, please let me know > > my mail client selects this for me when i reply to an email. if the email is to asaf.shamir@mobivate.com, it replies from that address. if you send an email to my rwm address, it will reply from that address. > > With regards to support, we can do one of the following: > 1. RWM trains a mobivate employee on supporting the API and face mobivate customers. > 2. RWM provides customer support for mobivate customers. Cost is $2,000/month, response within 36 hours during business hours. > > > Asaf > > > BGG > > Bradley G Gishen > > > > Tel: +44 7 588 388 677 > Skype: bradgish > E-mail: brad.gishen@mobivate.com > Web: www.mobivate.com > > Mobivate Limited is a mobile solutions company, offering shortcode aggregation services, premium messaging (PSMS), bulk SMS, > mobile content, mobile marketing, and robust technology to its customers worldwide. Its powerful, reliable and user-friendly systems > ensure that its customers can monetise their content, promote their brands and always have cutting edge mobile solutions. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- [... truncated ...] ================================================================================ #13 2013-08-29T19:42:20+10:00 From: Asaf Shamir To: "Brad Gishen - Mobivate" Cc: "'Ari Berman'" Subject: Re: Raw Mobility / Mobivate what does this mean, and what does it achieve? -- Asaf Shamir Raw Mobility S: asaf-shamir M: +61-417-188345 P: +61-3-90182505 www.rawmobility.com On 29/08/2013, at 7:25 PM, "Brad Gishen - Mobivate" wrote: > Fair enough. Maybe we just pool the costs and split the profit. > > Where costs are data for messages and Nathan. > > From: Asaf Shamir [mailto:asaf@rawmobility.com] > Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 10:22 AM > To: Brad Gishen > Cc: Ari Berman > Subject: Re: Raw Mobility / Mobivate > > Brad/Ari > > As RWM directors/shareholders: > > To operate at the level you're asking will cost RWM about $35k-$40k a month. > Assuming a volume of 100 million/month on clickatel, the 75/25 division you suggested gives RWM zero profit. > > 8.5% means mobivate & rwm make equal profits, which to me sounds very reasonable considering RWM does all of the heavy lifting. > > This would also mean we can finally see some dividends on RWM side (especially nice for you two). > > -- > Asaf Shamir > Raw Mobility > > S: asaf-shamir > M: +61-417-188345 > P: +61-3-90182505 > www.rawmobility.com > > On 29/08/2013, at 6:35 PM, "Brad Gishen - Mobivate" wrote: > > > See below. > > From: Asaf Shamir [mailto:asaf@rawmobility.com] > Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 7:52 AM > To: Ari Berman; Brad Gishen > Subject: Re: Raw Mobility / Mobivate > > Brad, > > Comments below. > > 1. We cannot pay you 8,5% on any big deal as that means you either take all the margin (Dodo/TPG etc) > or we make a massive loss (Clickatell) > > nonsense, 8.5% on clickatel means Mobivate makes a 25% margin. > we can discuss reducing the cost to mobivate in specific cases, but i think mobivate should sign a non-compete first. > cost per sms =8c for Voda and MTN (rest are insignificant). Sell price = 9c. If we give RM 8.5% = 0.765. We have to > give Nathan 20% of gross margin = 0.2c. Therefore between RM and Nathan we pay 0.965 on a gross margin of 1c. > i.e. leaves MBVT with 0.035 per SMS. So you right we don’t make a loss but definitely not the margin we are after > or deserve for owning this customer. I will consider a non-compete when RM has other people who know blender perfectly > else it’s too risky for MBVT and I cannot be negligent. > > 2. Response within 36 hours may be ok if it was 1985. Come on mate. You mean 6 hours? > > We can do 24 hours if you want. i am talking about email support for your end-users. > If the clickatel volumes come thru, we can probably provide 24/7 support. > Clickatell is my end user. Sorry I never knew you were referring to 2 types of end users. But all my customers need a response > way sooner than 24 hours. > > 3. I don’t want RM to train anyone at MBVT for bulk. I am not playing that MBVT / RM game any more. Ask your employee. > But Asaf he doesn’t know. Well then send him to do a Java course. Asaf I cant get hold of him. Well that’s > your problem he is your staff etc etc etc > > This has nothing to do with java or a java course. We're talking about responses to your endusers regarding questions about the API. > Surely someone at your end can READ A DOCUMENT, understand it (or ask me questions if they dont), and answer your end-users > when they ask things like "where can i find my routeId" or "what does the ID field on page 5 refer to". > You know it best. If you want to train someone to answer the questions, sure. Train Jacy he sits next to you. > > Alternatively, Mobivate pays RWM to do this under a @mobivate.com email address. > > -- > Asaf Shamir > Raw Mobility > > S: asaf-shamir > M: +61-417-188345 > P: +61-3-90182505 > www.rawmobility.com > > On 28/08/2013, at 7:10 PM, "Brad Gishen - Mobivate" wrote: > > > > Not close to possible or feasible. > > 1. We cannot pay you 8,5% on any big deal as that means you either take all the margin (Dodo/TPG etc) > or we make a massive loss (Clickatell) > > 2. Response within 36 hours may be ok if it was 1985. Come on mate. You mean 6 hours? > > 3. I don’t want RM to train anyone at MBVT for bulk. I am not playing that MBVT / RM game any more. Ask your employee. > But Asaf he doesn’t know. Well then send him to do a Java course. Asaf I cant get hold of him. Well that’s > your problem he is your staff etc etc etc > > BGG > > From: Asaf Shamir [mailto:asaf@rawmobility.com] > Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 6:44 AM > To: Brad Gishen - Mobivate > Cc: Ari Berman - Mobivate > Subject: Re: Raw Mobility / Mobivate > > Brad, > > See my comments below regarding your questions. > > With the move to a larger (clustered) environment and attempts to keep the cost down, rwm needs to make commitments for leasing servers and other resources. > In order to do that, we need to have a long term agreement between RWM and Mobivate with regards to Blender. > > System: $5,600 PCM (Up to 10 million messages / month) > Support: $2,000 PCM (optional. integration assistance, enduser technical queries) > Development: $150 per Hour > Messaging: 8.5% of sale price > Term: 24 Months > > I believe the pricing is very low considering the time and effort required. > Additionally you'll continue to enjoy the benefit of getting free features and enhancements initiated by raw mobility (e.g. smppserver), and naturally the high quality, stable and fast system which has allowed you to acquire big players like dodo, tpg and clickatel. > > The alternative is to remain with the current setup, which at some point would reach maximum capacity. > > Asaf > > -- > Asaf Shamir > Raw Mobility > > S: asaf-shamir > M: +61-417-188345 > P: +61-3-90182505 > www.rawmobility.com > > On 27/08/2013, at 6:37 PM, "Brad Gishen - Mobivate" wrote: > > > > > Hi Asaf, > > 1. Please remove powered by Raw Mobility off the Mobivate site with immediate effect. > You are showing me out to not be the owner of the software which is my key USP > > where is that showing on the mobivate whitelabel? > > > 2. When you communicate with Mobivate customers, Mobivate requires you to use a Mobivate > email address – if you are not willing to do so with immediate effect, please let me know > > my mail client selects this for me when i reply to an email. if the email is to asaf.shamir@mobivate.com, it replies from that address. if you send an email to my rwm address, it will reply from that address. > > With regards to support, we can do one of the following: > 1. RWM trains a mobivate employee on supporting the API and face mobivate customers. > 2. RWM provides customer support for mobivate customers. Cost is $2,000/month, response within 36 hours during business hours. > > > Asaf > > > BGG > > Bradley G Gishen > > > > Tel: +44 7 588 388 677 > Skype: bradgish > E-mail: brad.gishen@mobivate.com > Web: www.mobivate.com > > Mobivate Limited is a mobile solutions company, offering shortcode aggregation services, premium messaging (PSMS), bulk SMS, > mobile content, mobile marketing, and robust technology to its customers worldwide. Its powerful, reliable and user-friendly systems > ensure that its customers can monetise their content, promote their brands and always have cutting edge mobile solutions. > > -------------------------------------------------- [... truncated ...] ================================================================================ #14 2013-08-29T10:44:14+01:00 From: "Brad Gishen - Mobivate" To: "'Asaf Shamir'" Cc: "'Ari Berman'" Subject: RE: Raw Mobility / Mobivate We work out what the costs are for clickatell. i.e. the hsting support etc (you mention 35k - 40k below) then we work out the comm we need to pay to Nathan and the profit is then shared. From: Asaf Shamir [mailto:asaf@rawmobility.com] Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 10:42 AM To: Brad Gishen - Mobivate Cc: 'Ari Berman' Subject: Re: Raw Mobility / Mobivate what does this mean, and what does it achieve? -- Asaf Shamir Raw Mobility S: asaf-shamir M: +61-417-188345 P: +61-3-90182505 www.rawmobility.com On 29/08/2013, at 7:25 PM, "Brad Gishen - Mobivate" wrote: Fair enough. Maybe we just pool the costs and split the profit. Where costs are data for messages and Nathan. From: Asaf Shamir [mailto:asaf@rawmobility.com] Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 10:22 AM To: Brad Gishen Cc: Ari Berman Subject: Re: Raw Mobility / Mobivate Brad/Ari As RWM directors/shareholders: To operate at the level you're asking will cost RWM about $35k-$40k a month. Assuming a volume of 100 million/month on clickatel, the 75/25 division you suggested gives RWM zero profit. 8.5% means mobivate & rwm make equal profits, which to me sounds very reasonable considering RWM does all of the heavy lifting. This would also mean we can finally see some dividends on RWM side (especially nice for you two). -- Asaf Shamir Raw Mobility S: asaf-shamir M: +61-417-188345 P: +61-3-90182505 www.rawmobility.com On 29/08/2013, at 6:35 PM, "Brad Gishen - Mobivate" < brad.gishen@mobivate.com> wrote: See below. From: Asaf Shamir [mailto:asaf@ rawmobility.com] Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 7:52 AM To: Ari Berman; Brad Gishen Subject: Re: Raw Mobility / Mobivate Brad, Comments below. 1. We cannot pay you 8,5% on any big deal as that means you either take all the margin (Dodo/TPG etc) or we make a massive loss (Clickatell) nonsense, 8.5% on clickatel means Mobivate makes a 25% margin. we can discuss reducing the cost to mobivate in specific cases, but i think mobivate should sign a non-compete first. cost per sms =8c for Voda and MTN (rest are insignificant). Sell price = 9c. If we give RM 8.5% = 0.765. We have to give Nathan 20% of gross margin = 0.2c. Therefore between RM and Nathan we pay 0.965 on a gross margin of 1c. i.e. leaves MBVT with 0.035 per SMS. So you right we don't make a loss but definitely not the margin we are after or deserve for owning this customer. I will consider a non-compete when RM has other people who know blender perfectly else it's too risky for MBVT and I cannot be negligent. 2. Response within 36 hours may be ok if it was 1985. Come on mate. You mean 6 hours? We can do 24 hours if you want. i am talking about email support for your end-users. If the clickatel volumes come thru, we can probably provide 24/7 support. Clickatell is my end user. Sorry I never knew you were referring to 2 types of end users. But all my customers need a response way sooner than 24 hours. 3. I don't want RM to train anyone at MBVT for bulk. I am not playing that MBVT / RM game any more. Ask your employee. But Asaf he doesn't know. Well then send him to do a Java course. Asaf I cant get hold of him. Well that's your problem he is your staff etc etc etc This has nothing to do with java or a java course. We're talking about responses to your endusers regarding questions about the API. Surely someone at your end can READ A DOCUMENT, understand it (or ask me questions if they dont), and answer your end-users when they ask things like "where can i find my routeId" or "what does the ID field on page 5 refer to". You know it best. If you want to train someone to answer the questions, sure. Train Jacy he sits next to you. Alternatively, Mobivate pays RWM to do this under a @ mobivate.com email address. -- Asaf Shamir Raw Mobility S: asaf-shamir M: +61-417-188345 P: +61-3-90182505 www.rawmobility.com On 28/08/2013, at 7:10 PM, "Brad Gishen - Mobivate" < brad.gishen@mobivate.com> wrote: Not close to possible or feasible. 1. We cannot pay you 8,5% on any big deal as that means you either take all the margin (Dodo/TPG etc) or we make a massive loss (Clickatell) 2. Response within 36 hours may be ok if it was 1985. Come on mate. You mean 6 hours? 3. I don't want RM to train anyone at MBVT for bulk. I am not playing that MBVT / RM game any more. Ask your employee. But Asaf he doesn't know. Well then send him to do a Java course. Asaf I cant get hold of him. Well that's your problem he is your staff etc etc etc BGG From: Asaf Shamir [mailto:asaf@ rawmobility.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 6:44 AM To: Brad Gishen - Mobivate Cc: Ari Berman - Mobivate Subject: Re: Raw Mobility / Mobivate Brad, See my comments below regarding your questions. With the move to a larger (clustered) environment and attempts to keep the cost down, rwm needs to make commitments for leasing servers and other resources. In order to do that, we need to have a long term agreement between RWM and Mobivate with regards to Blender. System: $5,600 PCM (Up to 10 million messages / month) Support: $2,000 PCM (optional. integration assistance, enduser technical queries) Development: $150 per Hour Messaging: 8.5% of sale price Term: 24 Months I believe the pricing is very low considering the time and effort required. Additionally you'll continue to enjoy the benefit of getting free features and enhancements initiated by raw mobility (e.g. smppserver), and naturally the high quality, stable and fast system which has allowed you to acquire big players like dodo, tpg and clickatel. The alternative is to remain with the current setup, which at some point would reach maximum capacity. Asaf -- Asaf Shamir Raw Mobility S: asaf-shamir M: +61-417-188345 P: +61-3-90182505 www.rawmobility.com On 27/08/2013, at 6:37 PM, "Brad Gishen - Mobivate" < brad.gishen@mobivate.com> wrote: Hi Asaf, 1. Please remove powered by Raw Mobility off the Mobivate site with immediate effect. You are showing me out to not be the owner of the software which is my key USP where is that showing on the mobivate whitelabel? 2. When you communicate with Mobivate customers, Mobivate requires you to use a Mobivate email address - if you are not willing to do so with immediate effect, please let me know my mail client selects this for me when i reply to an email. if the email is to asaf.shamir@mobivate.com, it replies from that address. if you send an email to my rwm address, it will reply from that address. With regards to support, we can do one of the following: 1. RWM trains a mobivate employee on supporting the API and face mobivate customers. 2. RWM provides customer support for mobivate customers. Cost is $2,000/month, response within 36 hours during business hours. Asaf [... truncated ...] ================================================================================ #15 2017-04-18T14:01:44+10:00 From: Asaf Shamir To: Brad Gishen Subject: UI Two simple terms for using the UI code: 1. RWM gets revenue share for all products sold through the UI, message or otherwise. 2. RWM gets a report for any such revenue at the beginning of every month Agreed? P.s. - Am I getting the $20k you originally offered? :) -- Asaf Shamir Raw Mobility S: asaf-shamir M: +61-417-188345 P: +61-3-90182505 www.rawmobility.com ================================================================================ #16 2017-04-18T09:44:05+01:00 From: Brad Gishen - Mobivate To: Asaf Shamir Subject: Re: UI 1. way too open ended. i.e. if we decide to have a tab and create a section for emails or premium SMS or mobile content, nothing to do with RWM 2. of course 3. i believe you missed that deadline by about 2 years? On 18 April 2017 at 05:01, Asaf Shamir wrote: > Two simple terms for using the UI code: > > 1. RWM gets revenue share for all products sold through the UI, message or > otherwise. > 2. RWM gets a report for any such revenue at the beginning of every month > > Agreed? > > P.s. - Am I getting the $20k you originally offered? :) > > > -- > Asaf Shamir > Raw Mobility > > S: asaf-shamir > M: +61-417-188345 <+61%20417%20188%20345> > P: +61-3-90182505 <+61%203%209018%202505> > www.rawmobility.com > -- [image: Mobivate] Brad Gishen / Director Tel: +44 207 267 5222 <00442072675222> / Mob: +44 7 <0031684455339> 588388677 Skype: bradgish www.mobivate.com ================================================================================ #17 2017-04-19T09:38:57+10:00 From: Asaf Shamir To: Brad Gishen - Mobivate Subject: Re: UI B, As RWM director and majority shareholder - what do you suggest? On Tue, Apr 18, 2017 at 6:44 PM, Brad Gishen - Mobivate < brad.gishen@mobivate.com> wrote: > 1. way too open ended. > i.e. if we decide to have a tab and create a section for emails or premium > SMS or mobile content, nothing to do with RWM > > 2. of course > > 3. i believe you missed that deadline by about 2 years? > > On 18 April 2017 at 05:01, Asaf Shamir wrote: > >> Two simple terms for using the UI code: >> >> 1. RWM gets revenue share for all products sold through the UI, message >> or otherwise. >> 2. RWM gets a report for any such revenue at the beginning of every month >> >> Agreed? >> >> P.s. - Am I getting the $20k you originally offered? :) >> >> >> -- >> Asaf Shamir >> Raw Mobility >> >> S: asaf-shamir >> M: +61-417-188345 <+61%20417%20188%20345> >> P: +61-3-90182505 <+61%203%209018%202505> >> www.rawmobility.com >> > > > > -- > > [image: Mobivate] > > Brad Gishen / Director > Tel: +44 207 267 5222 <00442072675222> / Mob: +44 7 <0031684455339> > 588388677 > Skype: bradgish > > www.mobivate.com > > > -- Asaf Shamir Raw Mobility S: asaf-shamir M: +61-417-188345 P: +61-3-90182505 www.rawmobility.com ================================================================================ #18 2017-04-19T21:09:23+10:00 From: Asaf Shamir To: Brad Gishen - Mobivate Subject: Re: UI To summarise our conversation: 1. mbvt pays aud10k to cover cost 2. rwm gets co ownership of ui Inc apps etc 3. rwm gets 8.5% of all bulksms traffic 4. rwm gets x% of bulk related services? On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 9:38 AM, Asaf Shamir wrote: > B, > > As RWM director and majority shareholder - what do you suggest? > > On Tue, Apr 18, 2017 at 6:44 PM, Brad Gishen - Mobivate < > brad.gishen@mobivate.com> wrote: > >> 1. way too open ended. >> i.e. if we decide to have a tab and create a section for emails or >> premium SMS or mobile content, nothing to do with RWM >> >> 2. of course >> >> 3. i believe you missed that deadline by about 2 years? >> >> On 18 April 2017 at 05:01, Asaf Shamir wrote: >> >>> Two simple terms for using the UI code: >>> >>> 1. RWM gets revenue share for all products sold through the UI, message >>> or otherwise. >>> 2. RWM gets a report for any such revenue at the beginning of every month >>> >>> Agreed? >>> >>> P.s. - Am I getting the $20k you originally offered? :) >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Asaf Shamir >>> Raw Mobility >>> >>> S: asaf-shamir >>> M: +61-417-188345 <+61%20417%20188%20345> >>> P: +61-3-90182505 <+61%203%209018%202505> >>> www.rawmobility.com >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> [image: Mobivate] >> >> Brad Gishen / Director >> Tel: +44 207 267 5222 <00442072675222> / Mob: +44 7 <0031684455339> >> 588388677 >> Skype: bradgish >> >> www.mobivate.com >> >> >> > > > -- > Asaf Shamir > Raw Mobility > > S: asaf-shamir > M: +61-417-188345 <0417%20188%20345> > P: +61-3-90182505 <(03)%209018%202505> > www.rawmobility.com > -- Asaf Shamir Raw Mobility S: asaf-shamir M: +61-417-188345 P: +61-3-90182505 www.rawmobility.com ================================================================================ #19 2017-04-19T13:05:32+01:00 From: Brad Gishen - Mobivate To: Asaf Shamir Subject: Re: UI Asaf, nothing changes at all other than: 1. mbvt pays aud10k to cover cost 2. rwm gets co ownership of ui Inc apps etc Simple deal, fair, reasonable and a nice little kicker for RWM I hope it works - if not we revert to current UI On 19 April 2017 at 12:09, Asaf Shamir wrote: > To summarise our conversation: > > 1. mbvt pays aud10k to cover cost > 2. rwm gets co ownership of ui Inc apps etc > 3. rwm gets 8.5% of all bulksms traffic > 4. rwm gets x% of bulk related services? > > > > On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 9:38 AM, Asaf Shamir wrote: > >> B, >> >> As RWM director and majority shareholder - what do you suggest? >> >> On Tue, Apr 18, 2017 at 6:44 PM, Brad Gishen - Mobivate < >> brad.gishen@mobivate.com> wrote: >> >>> 1. way too open ended. >>> i.e. if we decide to have a tab and create a section for emails or >>> premium SMS or mobile content, nothing to do with RWM >>> >>> 2. of course >>> >>> 3. i believe you missed that deadline by about 2 years? >>> >>> On 18 April 2017 at 05:01, Asaf Shamir wrote: >>> >>>> Two simple terms for using the UI code: >>>> >>>> 1. RWM gets revenue share for all products sold through the UI, message >>>> or otherwise. >>>> 2. RWM gets a report for any such revenue at the beginning of every >>>> month >>>> >>>> Agreed? >>>> >>>> P.s. - Am I getting the $20k you originally offered? :) >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Asaf Shamir >>>> Raw Mobility >>>> >>>> S: asaf-shamir >>>> M: +61-417-188345 <+61%20417%20188%20345> >>>> P: +61-3-90182505 <+61%203%209018%202505> >>>> www.rawmobility.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> [image: Mobivate] >>> >>> Brad Gishen / Director >>> Tel: +44 207 267 5222 <00442072675222> / Mob: +44 7 <0031684455339> >>> 588388677 >>> Skype: bradgish >>> >>> www.mobivate.com >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Asaf Shamir >> Raw Mobility >> >> S: asaf-shamir >> M: +61-417-188345 <0417%20188%20345> >> P: +61-3-90182505 <(03)%209018%202505> >> www.rawmobility.com >> > > > > -- > Asaf Shamir > Raw Mobility > > S: asaf-shamir > M: +61-417-188345 <+61%20417%20188%20345> > P: +61-3-90182505 <+61%203%209018%202505> > www.rawmobility.com > -- [image: Mobivate] Brad Gishen / Director Tel: +44 207 267 5222 <00442072675222> / Mob: +44 7 <0031684455339> 588388677 Skype: bradgish www.mobivate.com ================================================================================ #20 2017-04-20T09:11:06+10:00 From: Asaf Shamir To: Brad Gishen - Mobivate Subject: Re: UI Brad, So this is what we're agreeing on: 1. mbvt pays aud10k to cover cost 2. rwm gets co ownership of ui Inc apps etc 3. rwm gets 8.5% of all bulksms traffic On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 10:05 PM, Brad Gishen - Mobivate < brad.gishen@mobivate.com> wrote: > Asaf, nothing changes at all other than: > > 1. mbvt pays aud10k to cover cost > 2. rwm gets co ownership of ui Inc apps etc > > Simple deal, fair, reasonable and a nice little kicker for RWM > > I hope it works - if not we revert to current UI > > On 19 April 2017 at 12:09, Asaf Shamir wrote: > >> To summarise our conversation: >> >> 1. mbvt pays aud10k to cover cost >> 2. rwm gets co ownership of ui Inc apps etc >> 3. rwm gets 8.5% of all bulksms traffic >> 4. rwm gets x% of bulk related services? >> >> >> >> On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 9:38 AM, Asaf Shamir >> wrote: >> >>> B, >>> >>> As RWM director and majority shareholder - what do you suggest? >>> >>> On Tue, Apr 18, 2017 at 6:44 PM, Brad Gishen - Mobivate < >>> brad.gishen@mobivate.com> wrote: >>> >>>> 1. way too open ended. >>>> i.e. if we decide to have a tab and create a section for emails or >>>> premium SMS or mobile content, nothing to do with RWM >>>> >>>> 2. of course >>>> >>>> 3. i believe you missed that deadline by about 2 years? >>>> >>>> On 18 April 2017 at 05:01, Asaf Shamir wrote: >>>> >>>>> Two simple terms for using the UI code: >>>>> >>>>> 1. RWM gets revenue share for all products sold through the UI, >>>>> message or otherwise. >>>>> 2. RWM gets a report for any such revenue at the beginning of every >>>>> month >>>>> >>>>> Agreed? >>>>> >>>>> P.s. - Am I getting the $20k you originally offered? :) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Asaf Shamir >>>>> Raw Mobility >>>>> >>>>> S: asaf-shamir >>>>> M: +61-417-188345 <+61%20417%20188%20345> >>>>> P: +61-3-90182505 <+61%203%209018%202505> >>>>> www.rawmobility.com >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> [image: Mobivate] >>>> >>>> Brad Gishen / Director >>>> Tel: +44 207 267 5222 <00442072675222> / Mob: +44 7 <0031684455339> >>>> 588388677 >>>> Skype: bradgish >>>> >>>> www.mobivate.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Asaf Shamir >>> Raw Mobility >>> >>> S: asaf-shamir >>> M: +61-417-188345 <0417%20188%20345> >>> P: +61-3-90182505 <(03)%209018%202505> >>> www.rawmobility.com >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Asaf Shamir >> Raw Mobility >> >> S: asaf-shamir >> M: +61-417-188345 <+61%20417%20188%20345> >> P: +61-3-90182505 <+61%203%209018%202505> >> www.rawmobility.com >> > > > > -- > > [image: Mobivate] > > Brad Gishen / Director > Tel: +44 207 267 5222 <00442072675222> / Mob: +44 7 <0031684455339> > 588388677 > Skype: bradgish > > www.mobivate.com > > > -- Asaf Shamir Raw Mobility S: asaf-shamir M: +61-417-188345 P: +61-3-90182505 www.rawmobility.com ================================================================================ #21 2017-04-20T04:37:42+00:00 From: Brad Gishen - Mobivate To: Asaf Shamir Subject: Re: UI How much does RM take now? 8.5%? On Thu, 20 Apr 2017 at 00:11, Asaf Shamir wrote: > Brad, > > So this is what we're agreeing on: > > 1. mbvt pays aud10k to cover cost > 2. rwm gets co ownership of ui Inc apps etc > 3. rwm gets 8.5% of all bulksms traffic > > > On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 10:05 PM, Brad Gishen - Mobivate < > brad.gishen@mobivate.com> wrote: > >> Asaf, nothing changes at all other than: >> >> 1. mbvt pays aud10k to cover cost >> 2. rwm gets co ownership of ui Inc apps etc >> >> Simple deal, fair, reasonable and a nice little kicker for RWM >> >> I hope it works - if not we revert to current UI >> >> On 19 April 2017 at 12:09, Asaf Shamir wrote: >> >>> To summarise our conversation: >>> >>> 1. mbvt pays aud10k to cover cost >>> 2. rwm gets co ownership of ui Inc apps etc >>> 3. rwm gets 8.5% of all bulksms traffic >>> 4. rwm gets x% of bulk related services? >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 9:38 AM, Asaf Shamir >>> wrote: >>> >>>> B, >>>> >>>> As RWM director and majority shareholder - what do you suggest? >>>> >>>> On Tue, Apr 18, 2017 at 6:44 PM, Brad Gishen - Mobivate < >>>> brad.gishen@mobivate.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> 1. way too open ended. >>>>> i.e. if we decide to have a tab and create a section for emails or >>>>> premium SMS or mobile content, nothing to do with RWM >>>>> >>>>> 2. of course >>>>> >>>>> 3. i believe you missed that deadline by about 2 years? >>>>> >>>>> On 18 April 2017 at 05:01, Asaf Shamir wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Two simple terms for using the UI code: >>>>>> >>>>>> 1. RWM gets revenue share for all products sold through the UI, >>>>>> message or otherwise. >>>>>> 2. RWM gets a report for any such revenue at the beginning of every >>>>>> month >>>>>> >>>>>> Agreed? >>>>>> >>>>>> P.s. - Am I getting the $20k you originally offered? :) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Asaf Shamir >>>>>> Raw Mobility >>>>>> >>>>>> S: asaf-shamir >>>>>> M: +61-417-188345 <+61%20417%20188%20345> >>>>>> P: +61-3-90182505 <+61%203%209018%202505> >>>>>> www.rawmobility.com >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> [image: Mobivate] >>>>> >>>>> Brad Gishen / Director >>>>> Tel: +44 207 267 5222 <00442072675222> / Mob: +44 7 <0031684455339> >>>>> 588388677 >>>>> Skype: bradgish >>>>> >>>>> www.mobivate.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Asaf Shamir >>>> Raw Mobility >>>> >>>> S: asaf-shamir >>>> M: +61-417-188345 <0417%20188%20345> >>>> P: +61-3-90182505 <(03)%209018%202505> >>>> www.rawmobility.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Asaf Shamir >>> Raw Mobility >>> >>> S: asaf-shamir >>> M: +61-417-188345 <+61%20417%20188%20345> >>> P: +61-3-90182505 <+61%203%209018%202505> >>> www.rawmobility.com >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> [image: Mobivate] >> >> Brad Gishen / Director >> Tel: +44 207 267 5222 <00442072675222> / Mob: +44 7 <0031684455339> >> 588388677 >> Skype: bradgish >> >> www.mobivate.com >> >> >> > > > -- > Asaf Shamir > Raw Mobility > > S: asaf-shamir > M: +61-417-188345 > P: +61-3-90182505 > www.rawmobility.com > -- [image: Mobivate] Brad Gishen / Director Tel: +44 207 267 5222 / Mob: +44 7 588388677 Skype: bradgish www.mobivate.com ================================================================================ #22 2017-04-20T04:40:02+00:00 From: Asaf Shamir To: Brad Gishen - Mobivate Subject: Re: UI Yes. On Thu, 20 Apr 2017 at 2:37 pm, Brad Gishen - Mobivate < brad.gishen@mobivate.com> wrote: > How much does RM take now? 8.5%? > On Thu, 20 Apr 2017 at 00:11, Asaf Shamir wrote: >> Brad, >> So this is what we're agreeing on: >> 1. mbvt pays aud10k to cover cost >> 2. rwm gets co ownership of ui Inc apps etc >> 3. rwm gets 8.5% of all bulksms traffic >> On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 10:05 PM, Brad Gishen - Mobivate < >> brad.gishen@mobivate.com> wrote: >>> Asaf, nothing changes at all other than: >>> 1. mbvt pays aud10k to cover cost >>> 2. rwm gets co ownership of ui Inc apps etc >>> Simple deal, fair, reasonable and a nice little kicker for RWM >>> I hope it works - if not we revert to current UI >>> On 19 April 2017 at 12:09, Asaf Shamir wrote: >>>> To summarise our conversation: >>>> 1. mbvt pays aud10k to cover cost >>>> 2. rwm gets co ownership of ui Inc apps etc >>>> 3. rwm gets 8.5% of all bulksms traffic >>>> 4. rwm gets x% of bulk related services? >>>> On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 9:38 AM, Asaf Shamir >>>> wrote: >>>>> B, >>>>> As RWM director and majority shareholder - what do you suggest? >>>>> On Tue, Apr 18, 2017 at 6:44 PM, Brad Gishen - Mobivate < >>>>> brad.gishen@mobivate.com> wrote: >>>>>> 1. way too open ended. >>>>>> i.e. if we decide to have a tab and create a section for emails or >>>>>> premium SMS or mobile content, nothing to do with RWM >>>>>> 2. of course >>>>>> 3. i believe you missed that deadline by about 2 years? >>>>>> On 18 April 2017 at 05:01, Asaf Shamir wrote: >>>>>>> Two simple terms for using the UI code: >>>>>>> 1. RWM gets revenue share for all products sold through the UI, >>>>>>> message or otherwise. >>>>>>> 2. RWM gets a report for any such revenue at the beginning of every >>>>>>> month >>>>>>> Agreed? >>>>>>> P.s. - Am I getting the $20k you originally offered? :) >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Asaf Shamir >>>>>>> Raw Mobility >>>>>>> S: asaf-shamir >>>>>>> M: +61-417-188345 <+61%20417%20188%20345> >>>>>>> P: +61-3-90182505 <+61%203%209018%202505> >>>>>>> www.rawmobility.com >>>>>> -- >>>>>> [image: Mobivate] >>>>>> Brad Gishen / Director >>>>>> Tel: +44 207 267 5222 <00442072675222> / Mob: +44 7 <0031684455339> >>>>>> 588388677 >>>>>> Skype: bradgish >>>>>> www.mobivate.com >>>>> -- >>>>> Asaf Shamir >>>>> Raw Mobility >>>>> S: asaf-shamir >>>>> M: +61-417-188345 <0417%20188%20345> >>>>> P: +61-3-90182505 <(03)%209018%202505> >>>>> www.rawmobility.com >>>> -- >>>> Asaf Shamir >>>> Raw Mobility >>>> S: asaf-shamir >>>> M: +61-417-188345 <+61%20417%20188%20345> >>>> P: +61-3-90182505 <+61%203%209018%202505> >>>> www.rawmobility.com >>> -- >>> [image: Mobivate] >>> Brad Gishen / Director >>> Tel: +44 207 267 5222 <00442072675222> / Mob: +44 7 <0031684455339> >>> 588388677 >>> Skype: bradgish >>> www.mobivate.com >> -- >> Asaf Shamir >> Raw Mobility >> S: asaf-shamir >> M: +61-417-188345 >> P: +61-3-90182505 >> www.rawmobility.com > -- > [image: Mobivate] > Brad Gishen / Director > Tel: +44 207 267 5222 / Mob: +44 7588388677 > Skype: bradgish > www.mobivate.com > -- Asaf Shamir Raw Mobility S: asaf-shamir M: +61-417-188345 P: +61-3-90182505 www.rawmobility.com ================================================================================ #23 2017-04-20T04:47:45+00:00 From: Brad Gishen - Mobivate To: Asaf Shamir Subject: Re: UI Ok great Lets do it On Thu, 20 Apr 2017 at 05:40, Asaf Shamir wrote: > Yes. > > On Thu, 20 Apr 2017 at 2:37 pm, Brad Gishen - Mobivate < > brad.gishen@mobivate.com> wrote: > >> How much does RM take now? 8.5%? >> >> >> On Thu, 20 Apr 2017 at 00:11, Asaf Shamir wrote: >> >>> Brad, >>> >>> So this is what we're agreeing on: >>> >>> 1. mbvt pays aud10k to cover cost >>> 2. rwm gets co ownership of ui Inc apps etc >>> 3. rwm gets 8.5% of all bulksms traffic >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 10:05 PM, Brad Gishen - Mobivate < >>> brad.gishen@mobivate.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Asaf, nothing changes at all other than: >>>> >>>> 1. mbvt pays aud10k to cover cost >>>> 2. rwm gets co ownership of ui Inc apps etc >>>> >>>> Simple deal, fair, reasonable and a nice little kicker for RWM >>>> >>>> I hope it works - if not we revert to current UI >>>> >>>> On 19 April 2017 at 12:09, Asaf Shamir wrote: >>>> >>>>> To summarise our conversation: >>>>> >>>>> 1. mbvt pays aud10k to cover cost >>>>> 2. rwm gets co ownership of ui Inc apps etc >>>>> 3. rwm gets 8.5% of all bulksms traffic >>>>> 4. rwm gets x% of bulk related services? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 9:38 AM, Asaf Shamir >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> B, >>>>>> >>>>>> As RWM director and majority shareholder - what do you suggest? >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Apr 18, 2017 at 6:44 PM, Brad Gishen - Mobivate < >>>>>> brad.gishen@mobivate.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> 1. way too open ended. >>>>>>> i.e. if we decide to have a tab and create a section for emails or >>>>>>> premium SMS or mobile content, nothing to do with RWM >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2. of course >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 3. i believe you missed that deadline by about 2 years? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 18 April 2017 at 05:01, Asaf Shamir wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Two simple terms for using the UI code: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 1. RWM gets revenue share for all products sold through the UI, >>>>>>>> message or otherwise. >>>>>>>> 2. RWM gets a report for any such revenue at the beginning of every >>>>>>>> month >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Agreed? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> P.s. - Am I getting the $20k you originally offered? :) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Asaf Shamir >>>>>>>> Raw Mobility >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> S: asaf-shamir >>>>>>>> M: +61-417-188345 <+61%20417%20188%20345> >>>>>>>> P: +61-3-90182505 <+61%203%209018%202505> >>>>>>>> www.rawmobility.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> [image: Mobivate] >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Brad Gishen / Director >>>>>>> Tel: +44 207 267 5222 <00442072675222> / Mob: +44 7 <0031684455339> >>>>>>> 588388677 >>>>>>> Skype: bradgish >>>>>>> >>>>>>> www.mobivate.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Asaf Shamir >>>>>> Raw Mobility >>>>>> >>>>>> S: asaf-shamir >>>>>> M: +61-417-188345 <0417%20188%20345> >>>>>> P: +61-3-90182505 <(03)%209018%202505> >>>>>> www.rawmobility.com >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Asaf Shamir >>>>> Raw Mobility >>>>> >>>>> S: asaf-shamir >>>>> M: +61-417-188345 <+61%20417%20188%20345> >>>>> P: +61-3-90182505 <+61%203%209018%202505> >>>>> www.rawmobility.com >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> [image: Mobivate] >>>> >>>> Brad Gishen / Director >>>> Tel: +44 207 267 5222 <00442072675222> / Mob: +44 7 <0031684455339> >>>> 588388677 >>>> Skype: bradgish >>>> >>>> www.mobivate.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Asaf Shamir >>> Raw Mobility >>> >>> S: asaf-shamir >>> M: +61-417-188345 >>> P: +61-3-90182505 >>> www.rawmobility.com >>> >> -- >> >> [image: Mobivate] >> >> Brad Gishen / Director >> Tel: +44 207 267 5222 / Mob: +44 7588388677 >> Skype: bradgish >> >> www.mobivate.com >> >> >> -- > Asaf Shamir > Raw Mobility > > S: asaf-shamir > M: +61-417-188345 > P: +61-3-90182505 > www.rawmobility.com > -- [image: Mobivate] Brad Gishen / Director Tel: +44 207 267 5222 / Mob: +44 7 588388677 Skype: bradgish www.mobivate.com ================================================================================ #24 2017-04-20T05:45:15+00:00 From: Brad Gishen - Mobivate To: Asaf Shamir , John Huseinovic Subject: UI Guys, Asaf please pass code to John for new ui Thx -- [image: Mobivate] Brad Gishen / Director Tel: +44 207 267 5222 / Mob: +44 7 588388677 Skype: bradgish www.mobivate.com ================================================================================ #25 2025-06-04T16:07:02+01:00 From: Brad Gishen - Mobivate To: Asaf Shamir , Peter Friedman Subject: Penetration Test Hi Asaf Soft2Bet is planning on doing a penetration test on our systems and have asked for a technical contact person at Mobivate. I know that you are adamant that you work for Raw Mobility and despise representing Mobivate so I am giving you the choice: 1. I give them your Raw Mobility details where I am 99% sure they will ask alot of questions and anything is possible as to whether they stay with us or not. 2. I give them your Mobivate details, which would not create any issues. I obviously would recommend 2 wearing both my Mobivate hat and my Raw Mobility hat but I am leaving the choice with you. If you want to go with 1, thats exactly what will happen and what will be will be. If you want to go with 2 I do not want a single utterance about it. Let me know BGG -- Brad Gishen *Tel*: +44 207 267 5222 <00442072675222> *Cel: +44 7 588 388 677* Skype: bradgish www.mobivate.com ================================================================================ #26 2025-06-06T14:25:29+10:00 From: Asaf Shamir To: Brad Gishen Cc: Peter Friedman Subject: Re: Penetration Test Brad, Assuming they’ll be targeting HUB (and Blender apis as a byproduct), I recommend you nominate John and have him inform me. From my perspective, as I pointed out in the past - Blender is likely vulnerable, JSON API relatively resilient. I’d try to delay (or resist) this as much as possible, so we can try and harden things a bit on our end. Asaf > On 5 Jun 2025, at 1:07 am, Brad Gishen - Mobivate wrote: > > Hi Asaf > > Soft2Bet is planning on doing a penetration test on our systems and have asked > for a technical contact person at Mobivate. > > I know that you are adamant that you work for Raw Mobility and despise representing Mobivate so I am giving you the choice: > I give them your Raw Mobility details where I am 99% sure they will ask > alot of questions and anything is possible as to whether they stay with us > or not. > > I give them your Mobivate details, which would not create any issues. > I obviously would recommend 2 wearing both my Mobivate hat and my Raw > Mobility hat but I am leaving the choice with you. If you want to go with 1, thats > exactly what will happen and what will be will be. > > If you want to go with 2 I do not want a single utterance about it. > > Let me know > > BGG > > > > -- > > > Brad Gishen > Tel: +44 207 267 5222 > Cel: +44 7 588 388 677 > Skype: bradgish > www.mobivate.com > > > ================================================================================ #27 2025-06-06T07:50:52+01:00 From: Brad Gishen - Mobivate To: Asaf Shamir Cc: Peter Friedman Subject: Re: Penetration Test Hi Asaf 1. I very much doubt they will be targeting HUB as they don't ever use it or even know about it 2. Messages are sent from Symplfiy to the proxy John built in Sweden to your/blender API 3. I know nothing about Pen testing but I am sure they will be targeting the proxy and blender API 4. You never answered my question regarding the email address, which seems to be your modus operandi 5. please do not play with fire here nor try pass Raw Mobility responsibilities to John 6. this client represents around 65% of Raw Mobility/Mobivate revenue and needs to be given the attention they deserve 7. and that includes not taking 2 days to reply to emails BGG On Fri, Jun 6, 2025 at 5:25 AM Asaf Shamir wrote: > Brad, > > Assuming they’ll be targeting HUB (and Blender apis as a byproduct), I > recommend you nominate John and have him inform me. > > From my perspective, as I pointed out in the past - Blender is likely > vulnerable, JSON API relatively resilient. > > I’d try to delay (or resist) this as much as possible, so we can try and > harden things a bit on our end. > > Asaf > > On 5 Jun 2025, at 1:07 am, Brad Gishen - Mobivate < > brad.gishen@mobivate.com> wrote: > > Hi Asaf > > Soft2Bet is planning on doing a penetration test on our systems and have > asked > for a technical contact person at Mobivate. > > I know that you are adamant that you work for Raw Mobility and despise > representing Mobivate so I am giving you the choice: > > 1. I give them your Raw Mobility details where I am 99% sure they will > ask > alot of questions and anything is possible as to whether they stay > with us > or not. > > 2. I give them your Mobivate details, which would not create any > issues. > > I obviously would recommend 2 wearing both my Mobivate hat and my Raw > Mobility hat but I am leaving the choice with you. If you want to go with > 1, thats > exactly what will happen and what will be will be. > > If you want to go with 2 I do not want a single utterance about it. > > Let me know > > BGG > > > > -- > > > Brad Gishen > *Tel*: +44 207 267 5222 <00442072675222> > *Cel: +44 7 588 388 677* > Skype: bradgish > > www.mobivate.com > > > > > -- Brad Gishen *Tel*: +44 207 267 5222 <00442072675222> *Cel: +44 7 588 388 677* Skype: bradgish www.mobivate.com ================================================================================ #28 2025-06-07T17:56:52+10:00 From: Asaf Shamir To: Brad Gishen Cc: Peter Friedman Subject: Re: Penetration Test Brad, I want to ensure we address S2B's needs effectively, as I understand the importance of their business to both Mobivate and Raw Mobility. My previous email offered technical guidance to highlight that based on your email, a penetration test on Mobivate’s systems will likely target multiple endpoints, not just one. If, however, I’m mistaken and they will only be targeting the one proxy endpoint as you suggest - that will fall under the scope of the systems managed by John, to which I have no access. The focus here should not be on which email address is used nor our internal disputes, but rather understanding the client’s test scope and timeline so we can best address their needs. Please try to get more information, and we can decide how to best move forward from there. > You never answered my question regarding the email address, which seems to be your modus operandi > If you want to go with 2 I do not want a single utterance about it. I don’t appreciate the tone, and reject these sort of dictates. Asaf > On 6 Jun 2025, at 4:50 pm, Brad Gishen - Mobivate wrote: > > Hi Asaf > I very much doubt they will be targeting HUB as they don't ever use it or even know about it > Messages are sent from Symplfiy to the proxy John built in Sweden to your/blender API > I know nothing about Pen testing but I am sure they will be targeting the proxy and blender API > You never answered my question regarding the email address, which seems to be your modus operandi > please do not play with fire here nor try pass Raw Mobility responsibilities to John > this client represents around 65% of Raw Mobility/Mobivate revenue and needs to be given the attention they deservehe > and that includes not taking 2 days to reply to emails > BGG > > On Fri, Jun 6, 2025 at 5:25 AM Asaf Shamir > wrote: >> Brad, >> >> Assuming they’ll be targeting HUB (and Blender apis as a byproduct), I recommend you nominate John and have him inform me. >> >> From my perspective, as I pointed out in the past - Blender is likely vulnerable, JSON API relatively resilient. >> >> I’d try to delay (or resist) this as much as possible, so we can try and harden things a bit on our end. >> >> Asaf >> >>> On 5 Jun 2025, at 1:07 am, Brad Gishen - Mobivate > wrote: >>> >>> Hi Asaf >>> >>> Soft2Bet is planning on doing a penetration test on our systems and have asked >>> for a technical contact person at Mobivate. >>> >>> I know that you are adamant that you work for Raw Mobility and despise representing Mobivate so I am giving you the choice: >>> I give them your Raw Mobility details where I am 99% sure they will ask >>> alot of questions and anything is possible as to whether they stay with us >>> or not. >>> >>> I give them your Mobivate details, which would not create any issues. >>> I obviously would recommend 2 wearing both my Mobivate hat and my Raw >>> Mobility hat but I am leaving the choice with you. If you want to go with 1, thats >>> exactly what will happen and what will be will be. >>> >>> If you want to go with 2 I do not want a single utterance about it. >>> >>> Let me know >>> >>> BGG >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> >>> Brad Gishen >>> Tel: +44 207 267 5222 >>> Cel: +44 7 588 388 677 >>> Skype: bradgish >>> www.mobivate.com >>> >>> >>> >> > > > > -- > > > Brad Gishen > Tel: +44 207 267 5222 > Cel: +44 7 588 388 677 > Skype: bradgish > www.mobivate.com > > >